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The Messerschmitt Bf 109 was a World War II fighter aircraft designed by Willy Messerschmitt in the early 1930s. It was one of the first true modern fighters of the era, including such features as an all-metal monocoque construction, a closed canopy, and retractable landing gear.
The Bf 109 was the standard fighter of the Luftwaffe for the duration of WWII, although it began to be partially replaced by the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 from 1942. The Bf 109 scored more aircraft kills in World War Two than any other aircraft. At various times it served as an air superiority fighter, an escort fighter, an interceptor, a ground-attack aircraft and a reconnaissance aircraft. The Bf 109 was produced in greater quantities than any other fighter aircraft in history, with over 31,000 units built. Although the Bf 109 had weaknesses, including a short range of early variants around 400 miles (640 km) on internal fuel as drop tanks were not standardized until the E-7 model appearing in mid-1940, and a sometimes difficult to handle narrow, outward-retracting undercarriage, it stayed competitive with Allied fighter aircraft until the end of the war.
The Bf 109 was flown by the three top scoring fighter aces of World War II : Erich Hartmann, the top scoring fighter ace of all time with 352 victories, Gerhard Barkhorn with 301 victories, and Günther Rall with 275 victories. All of them flew with the Jagdgeschwader 52, chiefly on the Eastern front, a unit exclusively flying the Bf 109 models and being credited with over 10 000 victories itself. Hartmann refused to fly any other airplane in combat throughout the war. Hans-Joachim Marseille, "The Star of Africa" also flew the Bf 109, and achieved all of his 158 victories on the Western Front, chiefly against Allied pilots in North Africa, including 17 aircraft shot down in a single day.


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You're right, that ... ( 7 months ago by brainman)
You're right, that was laying it on a little thick wasn't it?
The me 209 was a ... ( 7 months ago by politirel)
The me 209 was a disaster, the fw 190 on the other hand was excellent
why did the germans ... ( 6 months ago by pramboy74)
why did the germans continue to manufacture the 109 in more numbers than the fw 190? The 190 was a world beater!! It was superior with speed, agilty, wide width undercarriage, good visibility, better bomb load, must of drove kurt tank mental!!
lol, 190 turned ... ( 6 months ago by bigbob6556)
lol, 190 turned HORRABLE
meaning what? ( 6 months ago by pramboy74)
meaning what?
I think, for pilots ... ( 5 months ago by tonto15cz)
I think, for pilots with more experience and luck was Bf 109 better. And manufactories for Bf 109 couldn't make Fw 190.
explain why the 109 ... ( 5 months ago by pramboy74)
explain why the 109 was better, the 190 was unbeatable in 1941 when it entered service. The spitfire V couldn't match it. You tell me what as a fighter the 109 could do that the 190 couldn't.
For example Fw 190 ... ( 5 months ago by tonto15cz)
For example Fw 190 has engine BMW, but Bf 109 has Daimler-Benz. And BMW didn't make enugh engines.(sorry for my English, maybe I don't understand)
ok, but why didn't ... ( 5 months ago by pramboy74)
ok, but why didn't the germans realise early that the bmw engine and the fw 190 was a superior aircraft and re-tool their factories? They had time considering the bombing of germany didn't really start to effect them till 1943.
Simple Answer .... ... ( 5 months ago by Apex4607)
Simple Answer .... They were too Expensive to mass produce :)
i don't think ... ( 5 months ago by pramboy74)
i don't think expense comes into it when you are at war especially in nazi germany.
But resources do. ... ( 5 months ago by juuls26)
But resources do. Once you have builded the factory you have invested allot of resources which can't just waste when you get a new plane that marginale better. The Nazi leadership also sometimes displayed textbook expamles of incompetence, especially Göring with his acvocation of the Bf110 during the battle of britain. The army also displayed this by produces a wide variaty of diffent tanks instead of just focusing their efforts on the Panther which if they had done could have altered the war.
that may be so but ... ( 5 months ago by pramboy74)
that may be so but the 190 came into the war very early on (1941) and germany had the time to concentrate on this aircaft, i think it more came down to the germans thinking they didn't need to concentrate on the 190 because how the war was going for them at the time. They had the opportunity to bring the 262 in service in 1942-43 but thought it wasn't needed in a hurry.
My 2 cents worth. ... ( 5 months ago by paperwater)
My 2 cents worth. The 190A and the 109F and Gs tended to complement each other. The 190A was a bit faster, had a better dive and roll-rate BUT it was a poor climber and wasn't much chop at altitude (the 190D which used the 109's inline engine fixed this). The 109 on the other hand didn't roll or dive like a 190A BUT it could certainly fight at altitude. I'm sure we'd all agree that they're both things of great beauty and that you'd have to be a souless bastard not to love them both.
Christ, did I ... ( 4 months ago by paperwater)
Christ, did I actually say that? As you'll know, the 190 D used the Jumo engine not the DB used in the 109. Hell, I've really got to lay off the weed!
Brainman, the ... ( 4 months ago by HerraTohtori)
Brainman, the Finnish Brewsters were the prototype B-239 models, not Buffalos. Buffalos were the production model Brewster B-339's, or F2A-2's depending on designation practices, which had increased armour and slightly bigger engines and thereby increased weight, reduced maneuverability with a meager increase in speed.
The Finnish Brester B-239's had good maneuverability, were delightful to fly and were never referred to as "flying coffins", even against superior performance Russian planes.
Array ( 4 months ago by brainman)
Cool story, bra.
Either way that doesn't detract from the spectacular achievement that was acquired with those units. And the point still being that even with technologically inferior aircraft and being outnumbered doesn't it doesn't dictate the outcome of the conflict.
The Bf 109K-4 was ... ( 4 months ago by brainman)
The Bf 109K-4 was actually faster than the Fw 190D-9 (about 450MPH vs 440MPH respectively) towards the end of the conflict and hardly anything prop driven could catch it in a climb. Literally, it left most fighters in the dust. In fact, the K-4 is, or rather should be, on the shortlist of highest performing (active) fighters in WWII overall. In the hands of a skilled pilot, the K-4 was easily a match for the 109's and their opposition as well.
easily a match for ... ( 4 months ago by brainman)
easily a match for the 190's
-fix.
Ok for starters the ... ( 4 months ago by pramboy74)
Ok for starters the FW-190 A-1 was capable of over 400 mph in 1941 and was superior than the best 109 models at the time.
Secondly are you forgetting the late model 190's? The long nosed ta 152H-1 was capable of 472 mph rated at 40 000 feet.
Right, hence the ... ( 4 months ago by brainman)
Right, hence the qualifier "towards the end of the war" in my comment. The Bf 109K-4 was faster than the Fw 190D-9 which which in turn was much faster than the Fw 190A-1, and the K-4 also had prototype models which could reach even higher speeds. The Ta 152H-1 was certainly as fast as you claim but it was in such little numbers that it really couldn't be considered a fully active mass production fighter (hence the second qualifier, "active").
the 262 wasn't ... ( 4 months ago by pramboy74)
the 262 wasn't rushed into service, it was ready in 1942 but hitler wanted it used as a fighter bomber, and delayed it by a couple of years.
The ta 152c came ... ( 4 months ago by pramboy74)
The ta 152c came into service the same time as the k-4 and i stil believe was supeior. I just believe the fw had the better all round package, wide undercarriage, great visibility, power,armament and speed. The british copied the cockpit lay out and other features when they designed the hawker tempest. The RAF realised early on just how superior the fw was to what they had which moved on the deleopment of the spitfire IX and griffons engined variants, and Hawker with typhoon and tempest.
wow i never knew ... ( 1 month ago by jeebateeba56)
wow i never knew that. they say the 190 was the most advanced propeller-driven fighter of the war...



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